Bulletin Board    which seems to be turning into a Kenneth/Rosalie/Wendy/Hulls/Oakleys/McDonalds/Fynns/Huntleys 
etc. data capture/chat page

[UPDATED 26.06.07 There are links to new material further down page. Entries in red by NF]

[Begins: Wendy & Rosalie]

We do have a bit on the Oakleys but not much unfortunately. They descend from the Bain family, also from Scotland. 
You might know that Thomas (not the artist [Bains] ) and his son Andrew who was a brilliant Civil Engineer put in 
place many passes in the Cape   Bains Kloof etc.  .book called  A Colossus of Roads  .wonderful read ..
[Email from Wendy correcting and expanding on above to follow]  ..Have you been in touch with Toddy Winton at all 
  Pat Mason s daughter?
[No, have you.? Is she still around?]


Dear Neil, 
Mum has a few things she remembers about Chicken, Cecil and Zita (seems to be spelt with an "i"). [See more below . NF] I have still to find in which of my boxes I have stored Kenna's letters to Annie and Rob [Received from Rosalie and Wendy 16.06.07 all the family letters in their possession for scanning etc. Some are linked below in this Bulletin. update. - NF]. It is probably known that Cecil and Zita's parents both died from alcohol, and that Chicken was found deceased in the house when someone heard the children screaming and went to investigate. Mum thinks (not sure) that Bob and Polly may have been on Zimbele early on and amid a scandal supposedly lost Zimbele to Pat Fletcher - maybe different people were involved in something else along those lines, I don't know. [Re a scandal see .NF] Are you pursuing the Fynn branch at all? There were many Fynns in the country, related to us through Annie's grandmother, who was born Eliza Fynn (1805-1886) - married Donald McDonald (1792-1868). [Yes pursuing the lot! NF] Meanwhile, there is a book called "Twin Trails" covering the story of the Fynn/Southey families, but I have not seen or read it and don't know the Southeys. McDonalds are linked with the Fynns. The website references are shown in the attachment with this email . Google "Twin Trails, Fynn, McDonald" if you want to try doing that. FROM ROSALIE AND WENDY CHICKEN (Kathleen Cicil b.14-12-1877) - married Charles Baillie. They died young leaving two young children. Ida took Cecil and Annie gave Zita a home. Chicken was the [See links below] CECIL married Ethel Newton (nee Phoenix) and had one son. Cecil worked at the Railways in Bulawayo [as either a porter or a conductor]. Ida s letters Endnotes ZITA married George Grey, an older man with about six children and they had another six or so of their own. They were very hard up and Annie was always making clothes for the children. Rob allowed her to run cattle on one of his farms but he sold it quite suddenly, which upset Zita greatly. She was widowed and worked as a matron at Northwood House, the junior hostel of Evelyn School. She used to do beautiful embroidery and took orders. She lived to an old age, and her children were good to her right to the end. Anecdotes from Rosalie One day Ben was catching the train and Cecil sent someone to tell him to come to the luggage van. He said he just wanted to see what it was like to shake hands with the Minister of Agriculture. When Zita was living at Umvutcha she used to pinch cigarettes from Kenna. One day he scratched the phosphate off some match heads and embedded it into the cigarettes that he knew she would come looking for. It resulted in a few explosions but stopped the theft. As a teenager Zita liked boys and used to tell Annie she was going to the Museum to see the white duiker, but would really be up to no good. MCDONALDS The following were Annie s four surviving (one older, two younger) brothers and sisters. There were ten children born but only five reached maturity. [Annie born 1870. Her mother Sarah Susannah born Bisset 1884 died 1880, aged 36. It is possible she died in or as a result of her last childbirth. It fell upon Annie to bring up her siblings. According to Rosalie she consequently lacked formal education, but she made up for it by reading. (The family lived on a farm called Drummond, which the father Donald William ( Donnie ) sold after the death of Sarah. To facilitate the education of the children they moved to Queenstown and remained at 44 Ebden Street for the next twenty years, until Donald s death in 1901 - Mercy Murray)] Hugh Campbell (b.12-10-1868 d.16-3-1921) married Jean Bladon in 1901. [According to Mercy Murray he joined the Administration of Sir Harry Johnstone in Nyasaland in 1894. Judicial Officer Lower Shire District 1897. Resident Commissioner in 1907. Retired to coffee planation in Limuru district, Kenya and died there 1921. By his first marriage there two sons, Patrick and Vernon. According to Murray they also served in the Nyasaland Government service. ] In Ida s album of photographs, on a page with the photo of Annie on a white donkey, Two Women Two Babies, Young girl in white dress holding flowers (See Afore ye go on Mainpage) is the photo Man in Colonial Whites, with sword.. I would suggest this is HughCampbell McDonald, their brother. This is not the get-up of somebody still living in the Eastern Cape?. (Could be the white duiker Rosalie mentions above??). There is another photo on a near page of a man in front of the PF house in the Suburbs, striking a slight pose. It could be the same man. Moustaches in both photos. Peter said the family supported a lot of servants in Nyasaland - more or less one for each piece of cutlery. Hugh s son Patrick (Pat) in the Forties and maybe into the Fifties used to visit us at Zimbile, maybe once a year. I am not certain if they came from Nyasaland (65%) or from somewhere in Rhodesia. Pat was an image of Ben, but not as tall, and similar in manner. He was friendly to kids and every time he came showed us his favourite trick. He would light a match and quickly encourage the flame to take hold of its whole length. Then holding the match horizontally he would put his flat hand held vertically into the flame and run the edge of his hand up and down in the flame, almost touching the matchstick. In this way we could tell it was Pat and not Ben who was visiting. Pat came with his wife Esme, and their two sons Ian and Neil, with whom we have unfortunately lost track. I have the idea Esme ended up in her old age in Shabani. or somewhere like that, and kept in touch at Xmas.. Robert Philip (b.22-7-1872 d.1930) known as Bob, accompanied Annie to assist her on the journey to Rhodesia by the Zederberg Coach from Pretoria. He stayed on and married Aunt Polly (Sarah Catherina Botha b.1882 d.1957) and had eight daughters. Bob died young leaving Polly to raise the girls on her own. She worked very hard for them and ran boarding houses. The girls spent a period of time at an orphanage. Annie helped out and used to take some them out to Umvutcha for weekends when Patty and I were there. Ruby looked after Polly for many years and married late, after Polly died. I remember Helen and Pam, and Ed and I met Helen when she worked in a garage in Harare. [Bob s daughter Irene McDonald married Robin Shaw. Their son married Sheila Seeds. Their son Robin Victor has a son Malcolm Shaw in Australia, and another son in Triangle? Zim. NF] Emails NF-Malcolm Shaw in prep. Bob McDonald A few notes on him and the scandal by NF The Bulawayo laager (?) 1896 " On a horse 1 On a horse 2 Ida Eileen [no, Eliza.] (b.9-8-1874) married Patrick Fletcher. Kathleen Cicil McDonald ( Chicken ) (b.14-12-1877) married Charles Baillie a.) Signature: b.) Her letter Dear Bliss, Annie has kept me in . Kathleen went to Rhodesia and married after the death (1901) of her father, according to Mercy Murray, who also relates that Kathleen would sing for guests after evening meals in the manner of the time. On being complimented on the fine voice of his daughter once, Donnie astonished his guests by replying Yes, I always advise rubbing their noses with tar, and sending them out into the hills to graze. That usually cures them .When over seventy he was made a temporary cattle inspector during the Rinderpest epidemic and obliged to enforce the controversial compulsory innoculation policy one of the main political issues of the time. He must hav had his mind on this after dinner, and been a little deaf. (The matter was also a headache for Sculley: see Further Reminiscences of a South African Pioneer ) From one of the Websites Type into Google: TWIN TRAILS, FYNN, McDONALD and a few will come up. [*Ends: Wendy & Rosalie . Emails joined and condensed by NF. ] [ Had forgotten the story of Kenneth, Zita & cigarettes, which I have often heard from Peter. It was one of a number he told about the RA s practical sense of humour . Another example was one about Alistair s letter to Gelman at the Cold Storage, - yet to be submitted. NF] Both Elwyn and I recall Peter occasionally saying that Zeta used to send her kids over to shop in the store on Zimbile, and that they always paid cash and refused credit. It would seem they were on a neighbouring farm. (I think it might have been one of the sandveld farms on the SW.) We also recall a story by Colin later on in his life: that at some time in the past he had found or traced Zeta to a house in Que Que. She was living in very reduced circumstances. He had given her some money and later told Mary about it. Mary had said he should go back and see her, that he went. but found her gone. I remember Ida relating with amusement what a character Cecil was. One day he told Ida he was going blind. Ida scolded him for making up stories. No , he asked, do you see that sofa over there? Yes , she replied. Well, I can t. he explained. But he did not remain in contact much in later years. I seem to recall a story about a red sports car which pitched up on the lawn at Zimbile, with a man and several girls. Out jumped Cecil. That might have been in the Fifties. . [In preparation: notes on Bob McD. on Zimbile, inc scandal stuff, by NF] Apart from the Fynns, I think we need to pursue and sketch in the main connections with Hulls and Oakleys Huntleys Leseurs de la Harpes etc [WENDY MORE shortened] date Neil, on Thursday meeting with an Oakley descendant who has at least a couple of early photos, one of which might be at Umvutcha - but certainly of some Fletchers, since they are labelled. She is Wendy Fox, daughter of Mum's cousin, Girlie (nee-Myburgh, whose mother was Nellie Oakley, sister of Connie). Meanwhile, I am in the middle of writing to Chud to pick his brains with this venture and also ask what memorabilia Con might have stored in her stables! Mum fears she may have fed it to her horses ... joking of course. Chud is going to meet Callen in the USA next month, having not seen her for seventeen years. He has recently become a grandfather for the first time (a grandson, Callum Gregor). . .. Keith Fox scanned these yesterday into a CD for us. There is one of Zita on her own, Sheila and Connie at Bembesi, Sheila with Maizie Campbell-Rodger (who was Connie's best friend), cricket at Umvutcha and various others. Would you believe it - a big one was ripped out of the album and underneath was written 'Family picnic at Umvutcha'! It may well have been the one you have, since it is exactly the same era. Have you come across Riverbank or Riverton (Bulawayo) I wonder?.........