Bulletin Board 1 which seems to be turning into a Kenneth/Rosalie/Wendy/ Hulls/Oakleys/McDonalds/Fynns/Huntleys etc. data capture/chat page

 

[UPDATED 07.07.07  Also converted to .html format (Word is not working well with hyperlinks). There are links to new material further down page.]

[Entries in red by NF]

 

[Begins: Wendy & Rosalie]

We do have a bit on the Oakleys but not much unfortunately. They descend from the Bain  family, also from Scotland. You might know that Thomas (not the artist  [Bains] ) and his son Andrew who was a brilliant Civil Engineer put in place many passes in the Cape – Bains Kloof etc.  ….book called “A Colossus of  Roads”….wonderful read…..

            [Email from Wendy correcting and expanding on above  to follow] [Will probably link to a separate page]

…..Have you been in touch with Toddy Winton at all – Pat Mason’s daughter?

            [No, have you.? Is she still around?]

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 Dear Neil, Mum has a few things she remembers about Chicken, Cecil and Zita (seems to be spelt with an "i"). [See more below . NF]

 I have still to find in which of my boxes I have stored Kenna's letters to Annie and Rob…[Received from Rosalie and Wendy  16.06.07  all the family letters in their possession for scanning etc. Some are linked below, and some give rise to new questions discussed in this Bulletin. update. - NF].

 

It is probably known that Cecil and Zita's parents both died from alcohol, and that Chicken was found deceased in the house when someone heard the children screaming and went to investigate.

 

Mum thinks (not sure) that Bob and Polly may have been on Zimbele early on and amid a “scandal”  supposedly lost Zimbele to Pat Fletcher - maybe different people were involved in something else along those lines, I don't know.

[Re “a scandal” see ………….NF] 

Are you pursuing the Fynn branch at all?  There were many Fynns in the country, related to us through Annie's grandmother,

who was born Eliza Fynn (1805-1886) - married Donald McDonald (1792-1868). 

            [Yes – pursuing the lot!     NF]

Meanwhile, there is a book called "Twin Trails" covering the story of the Fynn/Southey families,

but I have not seen or read it and don't know the Southeys.  McDonalds are linked with the Fynns. 

 

 The website references are shown in the attachment with this email……………………. Google "Twin Trails, Fynn, McDonald" if you want to try doing that.

 

FROM ROSALIE AND WENDY

 

 

CHICKEN – (Kathleen Cicil b.14-12-1877) - married Charles Baillie.  They died young leaving two young children.  Ida took Cecil and Annie gave Zita a home.  Chicken was the

[See links below]   when did she die?   Memo: Kenneth might refer to her in letter from Eastbourne - check.  Memo: might have been in/dead before  Xmas at Umvutcha? photo?

           

 

CECIL – married Ethel Newton (nee Phoenix) and had one son.  Cecil worked at the Railways in Bulawayo [as either a porter or a conductor].

Ida’s letters Endnotes

 

ZITA – married George Grey, an older man with about six children and they had another six or so of their own.  They were very hard up and Annie was always making clothes for the children.  Rob allowed her to run cattle on one of his farms but he sold it quite suddenly, which upset Zita greatly.  She was widowed and worked as a matron at Northwood House, the junior hostel of Evelyn School.  She used to do beautiful embroidery and took orders.  She lived to an old age, and her children were good to her right to the end.

 

Anecdotes from Rosalie

 

One day Ben was catching the train and Cecil sent someone to tell him to come to the luggage van.  He said he just wanted to see what it was like to shake hands with the Minister of Agriculture.

 

When Zita was living at Umvutcha she used to pinch cigarettes from Kenna.  One day he scratched the phosphate off some match heads and embedded it into the cigarettes that he knew she would come looking for.  It resulted in a few explosions but stopped the theft. 

 

As a teenager Zita liked boys and used to tell Annie she was going to the Museum to see the white duiker, but would really be up to no good.

 

McDONALDS  The following were Annie’s four surviving (one older, two younger) brothers and sisters.  There were ten children born but only five reached maturity.

            [Annie  born 1870. Her mother Sarah Susannah born Bisset 1884 died 1880, aged 36. It is possible she died in or as a result of her last childbirth. It fell upon Annie to bring up her siblings. According to Rosalie she consequently lacked formal education, but she made up for it by reading. (The family lived on a farm called Drummond, which the father  Donald William (“Donnie”) sold after the death of  Sarah. To facilitate the education of the children they moved to Queenstown and  remained at 44 Ebden Street for the next twenty years, until Donald’s death in 1901 -  Mercy Murray)]

 Hugh Campbell (b.12-10-1868 d.16-3-1921) married Jean Bladon in 1901.

            [According to Mercy Murray he joined the Administration of  Sir Harry Johnstone  in  Nyasaland in 1894. Judicial Officer Lower Shire District 1897. Resident      Commissioner in 1907. Retired to coffee planation in Limuru district, Kenya and died there 1921. By his first marriage there two sons, Patrick and Vernon. According to Murray they also served in the Nyasaland Government service. ]

            In Ida’s album of photographs, on a page with the photo of Annie on a  white donkey,  Two Women Two Babies,  Young girl in white dress  holding flowers  (See Afore ye go……on Mainpage) is the photo  Man in Colonial Whites, with sword..  I would suggest this is Hugh Campbell McDonald, their brother. This is not the get-up of somebody                    still living in the Eastern Cape?. (Could  be the white duiker Rosalie mentions  above??). There is another photo on a near page of  a man in  front of the PF house in the Suburbs, striking a slight pose. It could be the same man. Moustaches in both photos.

            Side by side with the Man in Colonial Whites is a photo of identical size Woman on a White Donkey. This photo has been on the site Opening Page for some time under

the section " Afore ye go......etc". I was under the impression it might have been Annie, but so far there has been no verification. So I now float the proposition that it might be Hugh

McDonald's wife. In the photo of the man a banana branch is visible. In the photo of the woman on a donkey there is a forest of banana plants in the background. And the two people look sartorially a couple. Was there ever a forest of bananas at Umvutcha? Bananas grow easily in Nyasaland?  Unless Annie visited Nyasaland.?

             Peter said the family supported  a lot of servants in Nyasaland - more or less one for each piece of cutlery.

              Hugh’s son Patrick (Pat) in the Forties and maybe into the Fifties used to visit us at Zimbile, maybe once a year. I am not certain if they came from Nyasaland (65%) or             from  somewhere in Rhodesia. Pat was an image of  Ben, but not as tall, and similar in manner. He was friendly to kids and  every time he came showed us his favourite trick. He would light a match and quickly encourage the flame to take hold of its whole length. Then holding the match horizontally he would put his flat hand held vertically  into the flame and run the edge of his hand up and down in the flame,  almost touching the matchstick. In this way we could tell it was Pat  and not Ben who was visiting.

              Pat came with his wife Esme, and their two sons Ian and Neil, with whom  we have unfortunately lost track. I have the idea Esme ended up in her old  age in Shabani. or somewhere like that, and kept in touch at Xmas.. 

 

 

 Robert Philip (b.22-7-1872 d.1930) known as Bob, accompanied Annie to assist her on the journey to Rhodesia by the Zederberg Coach from Pretoria.  He stayed on and married Aunt Polly (Sarah Catherina Botha b.1882 d.1957) and had eight daughters.  Bob died young leaving Polly to raise the girls on her own.  She worked very hard for them and ran boarding houses.  The girls spent a period of time at an orphanage.  Annie helped out and used to take some them out to Umvutcha for weekends when Patty and I were there.  Ruby looked after Polly for many years and married late, after Polly died.  I remember Helen and Pam, and Ed and I met Helen when she worked in a garage in Harare.

 

[Bob’s daughter Irene McDonald married Robin Shaw. Their son married Sheila Seeds. Their son Robin Victor has a son Malcolm Shaw in Australia, and another son in Triangle? Zim.  NF]

            Emails              NF-Malcolm Shaw – in prep.

            Bob McDonald            A few notes on him and “the scandal” by NF    

              “         “                       The Bulawayo laager (?) 1896 

              “         “                       On a horse 1     On a horse 2

 

 Ida Eileen [no, Eliza.]   (b.9-8-1874) married Patrick Fletcher.                     

 

 Kathleen Cicil McDonald (“Chicken”) (b.14-12-1877) married Charles Baillie

 

a.)   Signature:                  b.)  Her letter ”Dear Bliss,   Annie has kept me in….”

           

            Kathleen went to Rhodesia and married after the death (1901) of her father,  according to Mercy Murray,  who also relates that Kathleen would sing for guests after

evening meals in the manner of the time. On being complimented on the fine voice of his daughter once, Donnie astonished his guests by replying “Yes, I always advise rubbing their noses with tar, and sending them out into the hills to graze. That usually cures them”. When over seventy he was made a  temporary cattle inspector during the Rinderpest epidemic and obliged to enforce the controversial compulsory innoculation policy – one of the main political issues of the time. He must have had his mind on this after dinner, and been a little deaf.  (The matter was also a headache for Sculley: see “Further Reminiscences of a South African Pioneer”)

From one of the Websites

Type into Google:  “TWIN TRAILS, FYNN, McDONALD” and a few will come up.

[*Ends: Wendy & Rosalie .   Emails joined and  condensed by NF.  ]

 

[ Had forgotten the story of Kenneth, Zita & cigarettes, which I have often heard from Peter. It was one of a number he told about “the RA’s  practical sense of humour”. Another example was one about Alistair’s letter to Gelman at the Cold Storage, - yet to be submitted.  NF]

  Both Elwyn and I recall Peter occasionally saying that Zeta used to send her kids over to shop in the store on Zimbile, and that they always paid cash and refused credit. It would seem they were on a neighbouring farm.

            (I think it might have been one of the sandveld farms on the SW.)

We also recall a story by Colin later on in his life:  that at some time in the past he had found or traced Zeta to a house in Que Que. She was living in  very reduced circumstances. He had given her some money and later told Mary about it. Mary had said he should go back and see her, that he went. but found her gone.

          I remember Ida relating with amusement what a character Cecil was. One day he told  Ida he was going blind. Ida scolded him for making up stories. “No”, he asked, “do you see that sofa over there?”“Yes”, she replied. “Well, I can’t.” he explained.

                But he did not remain in contact much in later years. I seem to recall  a story about a red sports car which pitched up on the lawn at Zimbile, with a man and several girls. Out jumped Cecil. That might have been in the Fifties.

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[In preparation: notes on Bob McD. on Zimbile, inc “scandal” stuff, by NF]

Apart from the Fynns, I think we need to pursue and sketch in the main connections with

Hulls and Oakleys Huntleys Leseurs de la Harpes , Ross , etc

 

[WENDY MORE…  shortened] date

 Neil, on Thursday …meeting with an Oakley descendant who has at least  a couple of early photos, one of which might be at Umvutcha - but certainly of some Fletchers, since they are labelled. She is Wendy Fox, daughter of Mum's cousin, Girlie (nee-Myburgh, whose mother was Nellie Oakley, sister of Connie).

Meanwhile, I am in the middle of writing to Chud to pick his brains with this venture and also ask what memorabilia Con might have stored in her stables! Mum fears she may have fed it to her horses ... joking of course.

Chud is going to meet Callen in the USA next month, having not seen her for seventeen years. He has recently become a grandfather for the first time (a grandson, Callum Gregor). …….

…….. Keith Fox scanned these yesterday into a CD for us. ……There is one  of Zita on her own, Sheila and Connie at Bembesi, Sheila with Maizie  Campbell-Rodger (who was Connie's best friend), cricket at Umvutcha  and various others. Would  you believe it - a big one was ripped out of the album and underneath was written 'Family picnic at Umvutcha'! It may well have been the one you have, since it is exactly the same era. Have you come across Riverbank or Riverton (Bulawayo) I wonder?.........

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Hi Neil, ......... just this afternoon I found the following:

1. Wedding photo of Tom and Elie Bourdillon. The names are written by Aunt Stella on the back but no date - but should work it out from the Hull book I gave you.

2. A hand-written note on the back of a prayer card on the occasion of Aunt Stella's confirmation, signed by "Sheila". You would recognise the handwriting if it is Sheila Fletcher's. There are examples of her writing from that era more or less.

3. A picture of Rhodes in a group of sixteen men and two women - thatched hut in the background. It may be a well known photo but will see what you think. Maybe Rob is in it - Mum thinks. I would have thought Teddy Hull would be in it, but it appears not. Is it the same occasion as Ida's one.? Need to scan it sometime.

4. Studio photo of "F E Bourdillon" in military uniform dated 1906 - looks about 15 years old - taken in UK.

5. Eve and Theodore Bourdillon in 1972.

Also some more beautiful very old ones from Aunt Stella but mostly about Hull family and Westacre (where Teddy Hull farmed at Matopos with Rhodes). Includes newspaper cuttings, letters and documents and also a "Memorandum of Agreement" (tied with ribbon) between Teddy and Rhodes. But I digress again, and know that this should be about Fletcher stuff - otherwise will get swamped!  It is a Fletcher archive -  but would be incomplete without all their contemporary family connections. Submit.  So Chud is going to send a scan of the agreement when he comes back from US? It seems he has similar photos to the ploughing demonstration one I have already scanned from you.

Still to come: I have been through my boxes looking for Annie but nothing, and will look through the kist tonight. Do you have the one of her in a canoe on a river, being pushed along with a long stick by an African?  No - am still waiting to see a photo of Annie, pushed along or not.

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KENNETH WORKPAD

 

9:16 AM 6/07/2007   Wendy, further to talking to Rosalie last night, can you print out/show her these items she mentioned and which both of you might be able to correct/enlarge on:

 

Granny (Flora) Hull had her wedding reception at the RA Fletcher (rinderpest) house in Suburbs.  For Chud and other cousins to elaborate on - meantime I believe this is accurate.  Ben was in a sailor suit [this might show in photos].  This is what Chud is saying, and ‘Ben in a sailor suit’ is also familiar to Mum.

 

Nolan  Photo of Kenneth and Rhona Nolan at Umvutcha (Rosalie's wedding Rhona as her bridesmaid).   Rhona's father worked for Kenneth on the RO(E?) Mine. Papers were burned so no records to define?  It was this mine that was up against the Globe & Phoenix, or the Gaika, (Mum feels sure it was the Globe & Phoenix and that the Gaika was further away) that Kenneth had a court case when the underground workings joined.  [Peter often spoke of this - I wish I had paid more attention.  Elwyn had even heard the story.  She says she thinks Peter said Kenneth knew very well where he was underground!]  I don’t know anything about this.  I think your best hope here will be Winkie and Raye. 

 

Kenneth's mines:  

1.   Blair Athol  K’s first mine.  Yes - after leaving his job as farm manager of Wiltshire Estate in Enkeldoorn, which was owned by Lonrho.  In partnership with (or worked for Kenna) Hal Wiggins (from England).  Robby was later in partnership with his sons on the Primrose.  Mum remembers Primrose (belonging to Kenna?) but not aware of this partnership – for W+R.  [Almost definite there was a partnership with Robby. He and Wiggins however did not get on personally, so he told me not long before going down south.. re Wiggins on the Little Wonder (tribute?) with Colin see my recoll. Dugald stuff]

 

2.   Trace of Gold  K in partnership with his friend Eddie Wilson.  Wilson was formerly a cattle inspector who at Wiltshire Estate told Kenneth he was going to run him in for ticks and K said that's OK but let’s have a drink first.  They became close family friends his wife Joan and their children Jimmy (who dated Mum for a while), Dessie and Molly.  Mum has some stories about Eddie and Kenna’s friendship that are still clear in her mind, although she says she has forgotten some things.  What she says is so memorable is how much humour they shared.  There will be some historical facts and on a lighter side, some heart-warming accounts.  We have lost touch with the Wilson family – his daughter Dessie was a good friend of Mum’s up until quite recent times, and our families saw each other for a spell when we were growing up

 

3.   RO

 So there were three mines?  Also a few little ones here and there.  W+R would know. 

 

Who was Jobling?  Mum’s memory keeps telling her he was associated with Rob, rather than Kenna.  Could he have been a friend or political associate of Rob’s, thus the visit to the House of Commons?  Would Kenna have been drawn to visit to such a place on his own accord?  They were ‘knocking about London’ a couple of weeks before WWI officially ended.  Kenna would have been there serving as a rear gunner in the RAF.  K and he were knocking about London and went to House of Commons together end Oct 1918. [I often heard Peter mention him].  Try W+R.    [Later,  -   maybe in view of below it was Jobling's son. Here is Kenneth's letter in question.]

 

 Having said all that, I just had the idea to Google, and look what came up … 

 

Constituency
Electorate and turnout

Candidate

Party

Votes

BULAWAYO DISTRICT
788 (59.5%)

Lionel Cripps

RGA

276   

Sir Philip Bourchier Sherard Wrey

U

193

BULAWAYO NORTH
1,065 (71.1%)

Sir Charles Patrick John Coghlan

RGA

529

Charles Spearman Jobling

Ind

228

BULAWAYO SOUTH
903 (61.4%)

Francis Leslie Hadfield

Ind Lab

417

Herbert Thomas Longden

RGA

137

EASTERN
1,054 (73.6%)

Mrs. Ethel Tawse Jollie

RGA

451

William Matthias Longden

U

294

Gerald Fitzmassey Dawson

Ind

31

GWELO
785 (66.5%)

William James Boggie

RGA

332

St. Charles Boromeo Gwynn

U

190

HARTLEY
726 (57.3%)

James Baillie Macdonald

RGA

316

Burton Ireland Collings

Ind

100

MARANDELLAS
756 (51.6%)

John McChlery

RGA

284

Thomas Benjamin Hulley

Ind

106

MIDLANDS
907 (49.7%)

Walter Douglas Douglas-Jones

RGA/Lab

274

Herbert Walsh

Lab

177

NORTHERN
1,037 (54.5%)

Robert Dunipace Gilchrist

RGA

358

Sir Francis James Newton

Ind

207

SALISBURY DISTRICT
944 (65.4%)

William Muter Leggate

RGA

372

Sir Raleigh Grey

Ind

245

SALISBURY TOWN
1,163 (66.4%)

John Stewart

Lab/RGA

304

Milton Evan Cleveland

Ind

258

William Streak Honey

Ind

210

VICTORIA
998

Howard Unwin Moffat

RGA

unopposed

WESTERN
970 (49.1%)

Robert Alexander Fletcher

Ind

192

Henry Cuthbert Ind

RGA

190

James Grant Riach

Lab

94

 [MEMO:  Wrey (Bulawayo District) is prob Phil Wrey in Pat"s letter  "flags at half mast at the club today" - link. Also prob the one in Ida Autograph Books - link]

 

William Muter Leggate  Mum says she made Mr Leggate a cup of tea when she was about six years old and living with Annie and Rob at the time in Northwood House, Salisbury.  There was no one home at the time so this was the best she thought she could do for him!  She says he was Rob’s doctor.

 

 

Ploughing demonstration at Westacre 1920.  On the back in Pencil is "Angus    Wilfred".  There is also the name Bourdillon in ink.  This is not a single photo torn but two joined. [Tom Bourdillon was with de Beers Shangani when I was a kid. Could the job have had some crony link with Rhodes?]  Wilfred I know but who might Angus be?    My cousins, Lorna, Diana and Barbara had a lot to do with the Bourdillions so will ask them for information.    Here are some details that I have sourced from the McDonald family book by Mercy Murray.  Did you say you have the book or a photo copy of it?  Please check my calculations because I am very allergic to figures and not impervious to typo’s!  Some of the dates have been corrected in ink by Aunt Stella, and she has also filled in some names and dates on the copy I have. 

­   Granny Hull (b.1884) had a brother named Angus Neil (b.1902) who was the youngest of 13 born (spanning 25 years from 1877 to 1902).  If the dates are correct, their mother gave birth to him at the age of 46. 

 

­   The birth dates of their parents are given as: John McDonald (b.1837 on the south bank of the Orange River) and Elizabeth Georgina te Kussh (or te Kusah) (b.1856 at nearly Tylden, whose father was Hungarian and whose mother, previously a Miss Gilstane, had been brought up at The Castle in Cape Town).  You will see a bit more history and a few anecdotes belonging here in the Mercy Murray book.   

­   The age difference between Wilfred (b.1908) and Angus was six years – does this tie in with the photo?In 1920 Angus would have been 18 and Wilfred 12.

­   According to the book, Angus migrated to Australia and died in Darwin in 1929 –mysteriously, I have heard, possibly a shooting incident; whether military or not, I cannot say.  [I must try and follow this up here – have wanted to for years and my elderly friend who works as a volunteer at the Genealogical Association in Perth says it would be helpful if his point of entry is known and from where he left.]  It would make it easier if he was in the military because there would be records on him don’t you think?  He was too young to have taken part in WWI but his brother Henry, four years older, lost his life in 1915 in France aged 17, and also William (17 years Angus’s senior, in Kenya aged around 30.

­   Teddy Hull died in April 1920, the year of the ploughing contest.  He left the family well off and they had a house in town but they all voted against that and Flora bought Woodville and built the homestead.  There will be many stories here, one that comes to mind is that on one occasion the oxen refused to plough in the blazing heat of the day so she made a fire under them to try and get them moving.  Apparently Alister used to frequently give her a hand and advised her that she would have no success in getting oxen to plough in the midday sun.

 

­   Of the 13 born, four ‘died young’ presumably in infancy.  The surviving nine were five sons and four daughters. 

­   Alan Clyde (first-born suffering rheumatic fever) died in 1902 aged 25.

­   John Hugh (b.1879.d.1934) whom we know as ‘Johnnie McDonald’ died in Granny Hull’s arms, presumably at Woodville Farm).  She looked out for him in his sorrowful life.  He never married and was the only one to carry on this McDonald line … his coloured descendants.  Looking for the ‘Labour issue’ concerning him.

­   Mary Georgina (b.1881 d.1958) [m.Charles Gawler Fynn]  This Fynn line died out in name as they had only two daughters. 

­   Flora Ness (b.1884 d.1974) [m.Edward Ansdel Hull b.1867 (not 1857 as recorded) d.1920]  They and the family lived on Westacre until he died.I have photo copy of a ‘Memorandum of Agreement’ signed in March 1902 between Rhodes and Teddy Hull so can post that to you.

­   William Gordon (b.1885) [m.Elza Schultz, no children] died WWI in Kenya.

­   Isobel Duart (b.1885 d.1918) [m.Eric Berrington]  ‘No issue’.

­   Janet Eliza (b.1891 d.1985) [m.Howard Somerset Le Sueur]  [Maybe Le Seurs we used to visit with Ida. Had a house near river downstream of Umguza Bridge on Sby Rd.

­   Henry Rhodes (b.1898 d.1915) WWI in France aged 17.                                                                                                             Le Seur had a connection with surveying?  NF ]       

­   Angus Neil (b.1902 d.1929) in Darwin aged 27.

­   Granny Hull’s parents died a few days apart, when Angus was just six months old.

­   Alan (eldest) died ten days after Angus (youngest) was born.  There was 27 years between them.

­   The McDonald book seems to be void of a fair bit of information.  Not a word about the Rhodesian history that Flora Ness McDonald (Granny Hull) was part of.  But I suppose genealogy typically focuses more on the male lines. 

 Also on one of the small kid photos there are three kids on the back it says Allan Fletcher, but not which one or who the others are.  Also the two kids in what looks like an old photo outside a building sitting on wicker chairs.

 

Why not send me Callen’s and the other Hulls email addresses so I can put them on the occasional report list.  That is a good idea, I will make contact.

N

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Who was Jobling.?  Often heard Peter mention the name. Something to do with mining?  Rosalie most likely to know.  In progress.

 

Who did they call Tiddly or something like that?  Done.

 

There seems to have been another housekeeper (?) at Umvutcha from K.s letter 1913 - Miss Cardwell?  Mum doesn’t know.

 

Can Rosalie make a few notes about the arrangement with Rhodes re Westacre.  **Con, Callen, Chud, Bun would be the ones.  I see on the back of the photos of the old tractor there is a mention of Bourdillon  - please can Rosalie jot down a bit about that connection. My Hull cousins (Lorna, Diana, Barbara) had close connections with all different Bourdillions so will get on to them.

 

Also the background to living in the boiler and the name of that labour recruiting business that everybody was up to.  Also his history - the coloureds putting flowers on the  the grave - building over it etc.  **Same again.

 

About Wilfred being sent over to England etc.  **Same again but I can also relate what I know.

 

Kenneth seems to have had a friend Luis Vintcent?  Do you know anything about him?  (I have made a footnote, I guess it was a kid/grandson of Judge Vintcent - but just a wild guess).  A few things below on the question of Justice Vintcent – that is an unusual spelling of the name.  He was practicing at the end of the 1890’s, and the website www.rhodesia.nl./hensman.pdf  mentions him in a few places (at least pages 114 and 132) in connection with some lengthy ‘Labour’ issue in court – cannot copy and paste pdf files.  [I wonder if it could even be the same saga that Johnny McDonald, aged about 20 at the time, was a subject of.]  There is also a Luis Vintcent mentioned in a Rhodesiana article in September 1965 headed Rhodesia in 1890” written by H F (Skipper) Hoste.  This Luis Vintcent was a well known South African cricketer, but could nevertheless be Joseph’s brother or other relative, given the unusual spelling and there being an existing Rhodesian connection by that name.  As you suggest, Kenna’s Vintcent friend you refer to must have been a child of Justice Joseph, named after his (presumed) uncle Luis. Did the cricketer Luis Vintcent live in Rhodesia or just visit I wonder? 

 

 

The members nominated by the British South Africa Company were:

Sir Thomas Scanlen stood down and was replaced by John Gilbert Kotze, Attorney General, on August 9, 1900. Mr Justice Vintcent stood down and was replaced by Clarkson Henry Tredgold on June 28, 1901. Townshend Griffin was absent for a time and was replaced by James Hutchinson Kennedy on June 28, 1901.

 
Afr. Aff. (Lond), October 1913; XIII: 45 - 50.
......research-article Articles THE LAWS AND ADMINISTRATION OF RHODESIA 1 R. C. HAWKIN...differences to the judg- THE LAWS AND ADMINISTRATION OF RHODESIA 47 ment of these chiefs, the latter have no...benefit of Judge Vintcent's help during his......

 Acting Administrators of Southern Rhodesia

                       [Must be Sir Percy]

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